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sly "Un Divan, c'est un DI-VAN!"
Nombre de messages : 3028 Age : 49 Localisation : sur mon tabouret Date d'inscription : 02/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Sam 29 Aoû - 19:53 | |
| Crazy Bear t'as été plus rapide que moi | |
| | | Mr. Soul Modofétichiste
Nombre de messages : 10450 Age : 60 Localisation : Alsace, berceau mondial de la culture et de la bière Date d'inscription : 04/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Sam 29 Aoû - 21:15 | |
| Ah ben oui _________________ "What is the color when black is burned ?"
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| | | Zwaffle Boucles d'or
Nombre de messages : 3533 Age : 47 Localisation : Paris Date d'inscription : 07/07/2009
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 11:00 | |
| aujourd'hui sur pitchfork, la chronique du coffret des 4 premeirs albums remasterisés (note maximale pour le 2e et le 3e)
Neil Young 7.8 Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere 10.0 After the Gold Rush 10.0 Harvest 9.3 [Reprise; 2009]
It's getting hard to keep up with Neil Young. In addition to a new studio LP, 2009 has seen the release of the green-car concept album Fork in the Road, a new live set (Dreamin' Man Live '92), and of course the 10-disc Blu-Ray/DVD/CD extravaganza Archives Vol. 1, which documents the first 10 years of his musical life. Not to mention that just over a year ago Sugar Mountain - Live at Canterbury House 1968 came out, so that even seems relatively new. We're drowning in Neil Young this year, which for hardcore fans (and it seems like the percentage of his fanbase that meets this criteria increases every year) isn't such a bad thing.
Add to the above the "Neil Young Archives Official Release Series," which is the umbrella term for the wholesale reissue of Young's catalog in remastered form. The first four albums, from 1968's Neil Young to 1972's Harvest, were released CD under the banner a few months back, which made the Archives set even more confusing than it seemed initially. Since much of Archives turned out to be previously issued material, with some albums appearing almost in their entirety, it stood to reason that it would serve as the best way to hear these songs for a while. Anyone ponying up between $100 and $300 for Archives surely already had all those albums, and they'll probably want the better-sounding versions in their original form, too. Young, like Bob Dylan, is almost impossible to read as far as stuff like this goes. It's easy to say that he's ripping people off by getting them to buy the same music over and over. But so many of his puzzling moves over the years, such as refusing to put out On the Beach on CD even though fans were clamoring for it, would seem to be to his financial detriment.
Here's one more for the shelf: the first four albums have been packaged in two limited edition box sets. The CD version is pressed on 24-karat gold discs, and the packaging is new; the vinyl is pressed on 180-gram records (as opposed to 140-gram for the standard issue of the LPs). The vinyl set, which is what I listened to for this review, is going for $150, which certainly isn't cheap. It packages the records in extra-heavy gatefold sleeves that will probably outlive me, and includes full-size reproductions of the original inserts, but there's no extra documentation otherwise. For me, there's an irony in listening to these deluxe versions, because I've long regarded used vinyl copies of Harvest as a litmus test for record stores. If they're selling a used copy in excellent shape for $4 or $5, it's my kind of shop; if they're selling it for $8 or $9, I'm probably somewhere in the New York Metropolitan Area. Fact is, Harvest was the #1 selling album of 1972, and it continued to sell all through the 1970s. Literally millions of copies were pressed, and used copies are very easy to find. It's a record that shouldn't cost a lot of money.
Which is not to say it's not a great record. All four of these albums, in fact, are excellent-- records that everyone should have in their collection eventually, in whatever format. I say "eventually" because Neil Young is an artist you shouldn't force yourself to get into; his most devoted fans are so convinced of his genius, and so bent on tracking down every last bootleg, that it's easy to hear a few songs and decide that Young isn't such a big deal. Sometimes it can just take a little while to come around to his music, and you need to be in the right frame of mind.
Harvest, whatever your copy ends up costing you, closed out one of the stronger four-album career-opening runs in pop history. Of course, Young had some practice before he went solo, so he had a head start. After gigging around Canada as a teenager in the garage-rock outfit the Squires, he headed out to L.A. and hooked up with the newly forming Buffalo Springfield in 1966. They were a band with a few songwriters, each of whom had their own personality, and Young's songs ("For What It's Worth", the group's biggest hit, wasn't one of them) revealed an emerging and distinctive voice. In 1968, he left the band and started his solo career, releasing Neil Young at the end of the year.
The album bearing only Neil Young's name is the one that sounds least like him. It's a fine psych-tinged folk-rock set with colorful arrangements and top-shelf instrumental contributors like guitarist Ry Cooder and visionary keyboardist and arranger Jack Nitzsche, who would continue to work with Young periodically through the 70s. But Young himself sounds oddly tentative throughout, as if he weren't quite sure what he wanted his music to sound like, and this is his most restrained singing on record. There are echoes of the great music to come, like the ballad "The Old Laughing Lady", and the arrangements are lush and inviting, but Neil Young in a sense represents a road not taken, and it's most interesting now in comparison to what was to come.
The opening riff to "Cinnamon Girl", the song that kicks off Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, erases the memory of Neil Young completely in about five seconds. In the months following the release of his debut, Young hooked up with a ragtag trio of musicians from a band called the Rockets, renamed them Crazy Horse, and found his raison d'être. Where the studio musicians on Neil Young were eminently professional, executing sophisticated and exacting parts with polished precision, Crazy Horse were loose and sloppy, privileging groove and feeling above all. Many of Young's seasoned contemporaries considered them an embarrassment, but for him they represented a new way of thinking about music, one that favored intuition and stayed true to the moment. A year later he would hook up with the hugely successful Crosby, Stills and Nash; Young would eventually call CSNY his Beatles, while Crazy Horse was his Stones. By this logic, they were making music on the level of Sticky Fingers from the jump.
Discussion of Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere usually gravitates toward the two extended guitar workouts, "Down By the River" and "Cowgirl in the Sand". Both are masterpieces of rock minimalism, demonstrating the power of repetition as the Crazy Horse rhythm section of Ralph Molina and Billy Talbot cycle through the chords and Young solos endlessly in his grimy, deeply-felt tone, playing off the subtle, prodding rhythm work of guitarist Danny Whitten. But the more compressed and accessible moments on the record are just as powerful. The title track is a brash, rollicking country-rocker in the vein of the Band, while "Round & Round (It Won't Be Long)" is a gorgeous acoustic ballad that finds Young, Whitten, and violinist Robin Lane engaged in three-part harmony on the achingly slow chorus. Best of all on Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, Young sounds comfortable and confident, singing with the versatile (and hugely influential) voice that has changed remarkably little in the 40 years since.
Everybody Knows was a sort of big bang for Young, a dense moment of creative explosion that saw possibilities expanding in every direction. So its follow-up was anything but a retread. With his newfound confidence, Young was poised to stretch, and After the Gold Rush sounds a bit like an overview of the Great American Songbook but with one guy writing all the songs. Members of Crazy Horse appear in various combinations on a few of tracks, and songs like "Southern Man" and "When You Dance I Can Really Love" have the hypnotically stoned but sneakily intense groove of the previous record. But more precisely crafted songs like "Oh, Lonesome Me", "Only Love Can Break Your Heart", "Birds", and especially the astonishing title track, which has become a rock standard, show Young's gift as a writer of original melodies of extraordinary beauty in full flower. It's an aspect of Young's work that can be overlooked: the guy can write a simple tune over a chord change that hollows you out completely. Sure, the record has a phrase or two that might sound a little dippy to those with an aversion to hippies (Young was one of those, though of a very individualistic sort), but After the Gold Rush is basically unassailable. There's a reason why it's the favorite Neil Young album for so many.
Which brings us back to Harvest, Young's mainstream breakthrough. Stepping away from Crazy Horse and hooking up with Nashville session musicians he dubbed the Stray Gators, Harvest finds Young experimenting again with a richer, more painstaking studio sound, but one informed by the spontaneity he'd found so inspiring. It's probably his best sounding album, and the ear tends to gravitate to the rhythm section in particular, as bassist Tim Drummond and drummer Kenny Buttrey are almost absurdly in the pocket throughout. (Here I should note that, while they certainly cost a lot of money, the vinyl pressings of these four albums live up to the hype: whisper quiet and clear but full and punchy-- these records have never sounded better).
But Young's songs, though not up to the level of Gold Rush, continue his winning streak. "Out on the Weekend" and the title track set the table for a mellow, rootsy, and breezily melodic album, which later songs like "Heart of Gold" and "Are You Ready for the Country" continue, but Harvest has a more tormented side as well. "A Man Needs a Maid", recorded with the London Symphony Orchestra, is one of his stranger creations, an affecting portrait of loneliness undercut with a clumsy, lunkheaded chorus refrain, the sincerity of which has never been quite clear. "Old Man" is something of a signature song, laying out the wizened, long-view outlook that didn't fit with his chronological age (by the time of the record's release, Young was 26). And then there's harrowing and radiant "The Needle and the Damage Done": at just over two minutes, it's far too short, almost painfully so, just like the lives of the junkies it was written about. Soon enough, two people close to Young, Crazy Horse's Whitten and roadie Bruce Berry, would die from drugs.
The unexpected success of Harvest, combined with the grief and guilt Young felt after Whitten and Berry died, would send Young into a dark and raw place with his next few records as he famously "headed for the ditch" to escape the middle of the road. Hereafter, an always-fascinating mix of success and failure would define Young's career, and along the way he'd make some pretty lousy records along with the great ones. To embrace Young as an artist after Harvest would mean accepting his many flaws (including the questionable business decisions, like the many confusing releases of this year), which have made his career unusually rich and varied as well as maddeningly inconsistent. But all that would come later. Enjoying this brilliant four-album run requires no special commitment.
— Mark Richardson, December 11, 2009 | |
| | | Esther Charly O'leg
Nombre de messages : 8293 Age : 50 Date d'inscription : 15/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 11:39 | |
| Et pour ceux qui bite rien au rosbeef, çà dit quoi, en gros? | |
| | | Invité Invité
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 12:04 | |
| tiens, toi qui aime bien les LP... |
| | | Esther Charly O'leg
Nombre de messages : 8293 Age : 50 Date d'inscription : 15/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 13:20 | |
| - Jacques-Eric a écrit:
- tiens, toi qui aime bien les LP...
Je ne peux pas lire Youtube du taf, mais si c'est le coffret LP.... J'aime bien les vinyle, mais plus encore mon porte monnaie... | |
| | | Crazy Bear Rusty Papa Ours
Nombre de messages : 10329 Age : 43 Localisation : au pied du lit Date d'inscription : 08/06/2009
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 13:23 | |
| ce coffret c'est effectivement un très bel objet ! mais hors de prix | |
| | | Zwaffle Boucles d'or
Nombre de messages : 3533 Age : 47 Localisation : Paris Date d'inscription : 07/07/2009
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 13:59 | |
| - Very Dick a écrit:
- Et pour ceux qui bite rien au rosbeef, çà dit quoi, en gros?
dans les grandes largeurs: - l'année 2009 fut très neilyoungienne avec les sorties d'albums, archives, live en veux-tu en voilà - le coffret vynile est cher mais bien packagé pour résister au temps qui passe et le son est top nickel (même si le chroniquer fait remarquer qu'un vinyle original de "harvest" pas cher est super facile à trouver) - sur le premier album, neil young a de bonnes idées mais on sent qu'il est pas trop sûr de savoir comment les faire sonner et son chant est un peu bridé : l'album est celui qui sonne le moins comme lui-même et est surtout intéressant si on l'oppose au reste de sa discographie - les 5 premières secondes de "everybod knows.." suffisent à faire oublier le premier album, "down by the river" et "cowgirl in the sand" sont des chefs d'oeuvre de rock minimaliste qui montrent bien à quel point crazy horse est un super groupe pour neil, dont la voix sonne ici comme elle sonnera pour les 40 ans à venir - "after the goldrush" est une sorte de Great American Songbook dont toutes les chansons seraient écrites par la même personne, le loner écrit de superbes mélodies et l'album est à peu près irréprochable tous points - "harvest" est son album qui sonne le mieux et le vinyle lui rend parfaitement justice | |
| | | No fun Tabarnak!
Nombre de messages : 2026 Age : 38 Localisation : Prague Date d'inscription : 29/03/2009
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 14:02 | |
| Je suis parfaitement d'accord avec ça. Il faut surtout réécouter les versions live du premier album pour en avoir les meilleures versions et prendre la mesure du semi gâchis sur cet album.
Sinon,il est à combien ce coffret déjà ?
ça sert à rien que je demande,vu que ce sera un peu hors budget pour moi mais bon .. juste par curiosité. | |
| | | Esther Charly O'leg
Nombre de messages : 8293 Age : 50 Date d'inscription : 15/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 21:35 | |
| pas loin de 200 €. Et uniquement sur le site de la Warner je crois. | |
| | | Sherafkey Ex Admin des Sixties
Nombre de messages : 3498 Localisation : 07 .ex 33 Date d'inscription : 05/07/2007
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 21:36 | |
| 200€, c'est chéros. Tu te trouve les 33 d'occasion, c'est bien mieux. _________________ “A mon avis, c'est ca qui déglingue les gens, de ne pas changer de vie assez souvent.” ― Charles Bukowski
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| | | Invité Invité
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 22:09 | |
| chez Gibert ils sont à 25€ pièce (Neil Young et ATGR seulement) |
| | | Invité Invité
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 22:10 | |
| - Very Dick a écrit:
- pas loin de 200 €. Et uniquement sur le site de la Warner je crois.
150 dollars le port et éventuellement la douane. on doit pas être loin des 200 euros... |
| | | Esther Charly O'leg
Nombre de messages : 8293 Age : 50 Date d'inscription : 15/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 22:21 | |
| C'est quand même du vol là... | |
| | | Mr. Soul Modofétichiste
Nombre de messages : 10450 Age : 60 Localisation : Alsace, berceau mondial de la culture et de la bière Date d'inscription : 04/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Ven 11 Déc - 22:45 | |
| - Jacques-Eric a écrit:
- Very Dick a écrit:
- pas loin de 200 €. Et uniquement sur le site de la Warner je crois.
150 dollars le port et éventuellement la douane. on doit pas être loin des 200 euros... Juste pour remettre un peu les choses en place, le prix c'est 150$ auquel il faut probablement ajouter 25$ de frais de port, soit un total de 175$. Au cours actuel 175$ = 120€ Il reste une de marge par rapport aux 200€ dont vous parlez. J'en conviens, ça reste cher et il n'est pas totalement à exclure que les douanes y ajoutent un taxon ! _________________ "What is the color when black is burned ?"
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| | | Esther Charly O'leg
Nombre de messages : 8293 Age : 50 Date d'inscription : 15/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Sam 12 Déc - 8:46 | |
| - Mr. Soul a écrit:
- Jacques-Eric a écrit:
- Very Dick a écrit:
- pas loin de 200 €. Et uniquement sur le site de la Warner je crois.
150 dollars le port et éventuellement la douane. on doit pas être loin des 200 euros... Juste pour remettre un peu les choses en place, le prix c'est 150$ auquel il faut probablement ajouter 25$ de frais de port, soit un total de 175$. Au cours actuel 175$ = 120€ Il reste une de marge par rapport aux 200€ dont vous parlez. J'en conviens, ça reste cher et il n'est pas totalement à exclure que les douanes y ajoutent un taxon ! Certes, disons donc 150 € avec la taxe et tout et tout... Cà nous fout le disque à 40 € quand même... en gros. | |
| | | sly "Un Divan, c'est un DI-VAN!"
Nombre de messages : 3028 Age : 49 Localisation : sur mon tabouret Date d'inscription : 02/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Sam 12 Déc - 11:27 | |
| Very Dick perso j'ai acheté les Archives direct à la Warner (donc aux states) en version DVD et j'ai pas été taxé donc on peut envisager un tarif de 120 euros. Tous ces petits calculs n'enlèvent rien au fait que c'est hors de prix. D'autant que le 180gr doit pas être si cher à produire vu que Constellations (nos amis communs) font ce genre de choses depuis longtemps avec du packaging fait main (l'artisanat est censé être plus cher) sans atteindre de tels prix délirants... bref, la Warner se fout bie de la gueule du monde. Qu'ils les gardent leurs vinyles en or massif. (ps : on peut pas avoir un smiley en colère qui fait un gros doigt d'honneur (genre Johnny Cash qui remercie Nashville) ?) | |
| | | nyzwok Topanga Computer ©
Nombre de messages : 17340 Age : 53 Localisation : dans mon pot de rillettes. Date d'inscription : 07/05/2009
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Sam 12 Déc - 14:01 | |
| - sly a écrit:
- Very Dick perso j'ai acheté les Archives direct à la Warner (donc aux states) en version DVD et j'ai pas été taxé donc on peut envisager un tarif de 120 euros.
Tous ces petits calculs n'enlèvent rien au fait que c'est hors de prix. D'autant que le 180gr doit pas être si cher à produire vu que Constellations (nos amis communs) font ce genre de choses depuis longtemps avec du packaging fait main (l'artisanat est censé être plus cher) sans atteindre de tels prix délirants... bref, la Warner se fout bie de la gueule du monde. Qu'ils les gardent leurs vinyles en or massif. (ps : on peut pas avoir un smiley en colère qui fait un gros doigt d'honneur (genre Johnny Cash qui remercie Nashville) ?) moi je dis c'est normal qu'ils montent les prix, avec tout ce que vous leurs volez en bootlegs et autres téléchargements, je vais ouvrir un Warnerthon,à cause de vous ils ne gagnent plus des milliards mais simplement de millions vous devriez avoir honte de tenir de tels propos!!!SHAME ON YOU!!!! _________________ We love to talk on things we don't know about.
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| | | sly "Un Divan, c'est un DI-VAN!"
Nombre de messages : 3028 Age : 49 Localisation : sur mon tabouret Date d'inscription : 02/07/2008
| Sujet: Re: Les 4 premiers albums de NY en version remasterisée Sam 12 Déc - 16:56 | |
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